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image by Jorge Candeias, 29 Dec 2004
The flag is a spanish fess of blue and white, with a large K at the
center. The colour of the K isn't entirely clear, but some areas of colour
around it lead me to suspect that it's supposed to be also blue, and not
black. The caption reads something close to J C & H C Kluber.
Jorge Candeias, 9 Dec 2004
It must be J.C. & H.C. Kiehn, Hamburg - there's a trace of
this firm here
(see under 'War Rother'), ... but I've found no second picture of this
particular flag.
Jan Mertens, 1 Jan 2005
image by Jarig Bakker, 28 Jan 2005
Image after Brown's Flags and Funnels of British and Foreign Steamship
Companies, compiled by F.J.N. Wedge, Glasgow, 1926 [wed26]
Hermann Kimme, Bremen - red flag, white cross formy, black "HK".
Jarig Bakker, 28 Jan 2005
image by Jarig Bakker, 3 Jul 2004
This is a Hamburg based company 1899 - 1969. Triangular flag, divided
vertically into 5 red and 4 white stripes. From Ships and the Sea,
Talbot-Booth, c.1936.
David Prothero, 4 Sep 2000
A. Kirsten. I have traced the company originated by Adolf Kirsten from
1895 (shown by Griffin of that date) through Lloyds to at least 1980 and
up until the mid 1970s they are also shown as Hamburg-London Linie A. Kirsten
& Co., A. Kirsten & Co. and Rhein-See- Schiffahrtges.
A. Kirsten & Co. As far as I can make out they all used the same
livery and the vessel names all ended in "a".
Neale Rosanoski, 3 Jan 2003
A. Kirsten, Hamburg - the flagchart of the Amsterdam harbour
has the same flag for the "Amsterdam-Hamburg Linie", guess it's
the same company
Jarig Bakker, 3 Jul 2004
Apparently Adolf Kirsten with Talbot-Booth stating that they were steamship
owners from 1867 and they were still listed in Lloyds in 1980 before disappearing
from the scene. Sources seem split as to whether the flag was a triangular
rectangle or a proper pennant with the German sources plumping for the
former. They also appear to have operated as the Hamburg-London Linie,
formed 1928, with a different version of a similarly striped rectangular
flag . After WW2 the latter seems to have become Hamburg-London Linie
A. Kirsten A Co. but indications are that only the pennant version
was then used, likewise for Rhein-See Schiffartsgesellshaft A. Kirsten
& Co. K.G.
Neale Rosanoski, 13 Oct 2004
image provided by Neale Rosanoski, 13 Oct 2004
image by Jarig Bakker, 6 Nov 2003
Dov Gutterman reported the link
of Albert Hauschild (GmbH & Co.),
which contains the houseflag of said firm, as well as the rather similar
flag of Klingenberg Bereederungs- und Befrachtungs OHG. Klingenberg's flag
is: white with broken capitals: green A, and black K.
Santiago Dotor, 6 Nov 2003
image by Jorge Candeias, 2 May 2004
Another of the images I have in my files is a photo of a page of a book,
looking a few decades old, that is full of flags that apperently are german
houseflags, since the page is labelled "Rhederein". The flags are mostly
blue and white. This is one of them: a white flag with a blue disc more
or less in the center.
Jorge Candeias, 2 May 2004
That is Knöhr & Burchard Nfl, Hamburg - Source "See und
Seefahrt", by Gustav-Adolf Wolter, 1968.
Jarig Bakker, 2 May 2004
It's the flag of one of the oldest German shipping companies: Knoehr
& Burchard Nfl. GmbH, Hamburg. This company was founded in 1814 and
still exists in Hamburg. They sent me an original tableflag some years
ago. I could'nt find a homepage but they are in the Yellow Pages.
Jörg M. Karaschewski, 2 May 2004
image by Jarig Bakker, 13 Nov 2003
Here is the website of Knudsen
& Jordan GmbH - houseflag: white with a narrow flydiahonal line;
at hoist blue K, at hoist blue J.
Dov Gutterman, 2 Nov 2003
image by Jarig Bakker, 21 Sep 2005
Köhn & Bohlmann Reederei K.G., Hamburg - red over white flag;
in center black "K&B".
Image after Brown's Flags and Funnels Shipping Companies of the World,
compiled by J.L. Loughran, Glasgow, 1995 [lgr95]
Jarig Bakker, 21 Sep 2005
image by Jarig Bakker, 13 Nov 2003
Here is the website
of Komrowski Shipping - houseflag: diagonally divided, top and bottom
blue, hoist and fly red; in the center a white diamond.
Dov Gutterman, 2 Nov 2003
image by Jorge Candeias, 3 Dec 2004
Here's another flag that is totally clear in all its details, but not
so in what concerns its caption. The flag is quite basic: white with black
seriffed initials "R.K." along
the center. The caption seems to me to read something close to Rob
Koppen, but I'm not sure of either word, despite the initials being quite
obvious.
Jorge Candeias, 3 Dec 2004
It's 'Robert Köppen, Stettin' under No. 610 of the on-line 1912
Lloyds Flags & Funnels.
Jan Mertens, 3 Dec 2004
image by Jorge Candeias, 7 Dec 2004
Ah! Here's, finally, a great flag! It's good in itself: a red and white
vertical bicolour with a blue disc centered, surrounded by 6 blue 5-pointed
stars, arranged in two partial arc on both sides of the disc. But it's
also good because the caption is completely clear: it reads "Kosmos Linie".
Jorge Candeias, 7 Dec 2004
The stars are indeed blue. See the 1907
painting (with very small flag), but especially the pdf
file (house flag chart, 1902). Pity, they show six-pointed stars. Five-pointed
stars again under No. 182 of the on-line 1912
Lloyds Flags & Funnels, i.e. 'Deutsche Dampfschiffahrtsgesellschaft
"Kosmos", Hamburg'.
So this has to be resolved, but I'd rather believe in Jorge's version.
A question remains... and perhaps our German list members can help
here... is there a 'cosmological' intent behind the flag design?
Jan Mertens, 8 Dec 2004
image by Ivan Sache, 1 Feb 2004
Following the link
found by Joe Mc Millan - The Mystic Seaport Foundation, we can reach the
1911 Lloyd's flagbook, whose full title is (after the scan of the cover):
'Lloyd's book of house flags and funnels of the principal steamship lines
of the world and the house flags of various lines of sailing vessels',
published at Lloyd's Royal Exchange. London. E.C.
On p. 134, we have: #2046. G. Krassenhoft, Hamburg. The flag is white
with a blue saltire, charged in the middle with a red K in a blue ring.
Ivan Sache, 1 Feb 2004
image by Jarig Bakker, 13 Nov 2003
Here is the website
of Krey Schiffahrts GmbH - houseflag: horizontal black - red - blue
with a white (what?) charged with black KS.
The Krey Schiffahrts GmbH, was founded by Mr. Georg Krey in the beginning
of 1990 in Leer / Ostfriesland, The Company
is presently managing a total number of 11 seagoing vessels in the worldwide
trade with a number of 12 employees. The fleet does consist of Bulker Units
between 3.000 and 12.000 tdw (geared and gearless), Containervessels up
to 510 TEU, Tweendecker and Heavy Lift vessels with up to 2 x 120 to gear.
Recently last year, Krey Schiffahrts GmbH separated from Phoenix Reederei GmbH, a company which was partly owned by Mr. Krey. Krey Schiffahrts GmbH is now situated in a separate office also located in Leer, Germany. Krey Schiffahrts GmbH and Phoenix Reederei GmbH have managed in the past a number of 40 vessels in total with a number of around 40 employees.
The last 15 years, Krey Schiffahrts GmbH has projected, contracted and
built a number of about 40 newbuildings at Shipyards in Turkey, China,
Spain, Slovakia, Poland and the Netherlands. Further Newbuildings (12.000
tdw MPC Vessels) are contracted with deliveries starting in 2006.
Dov Gutterman, 2 Nov 2003
image by Jarig Bakker, 21 Jan 2005
Image after Brown's Flags and Funnels of British and Foreign Steamship
Companies, compiled by F.J.N. Wedge, Glasgow, 1926 [wed26]
F. Krupp, Essen, triband RWR, proportioned c. 1:5:1; on white three
intertwined black circles. This is of course the big steel firm.
Jarig Bakker, 21 Jan 2005